Issue 127291 - Can't read suggested words in spell check with NVDA screen reader
Summary: Can't read suggested words in spell check with NVDA screen reader
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: 4.1.3
Hardware: PC Windows, all
: P5 (lowest) Normal (vote)
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Reported: 2017-01-20 03:23 UTC by Quentin
Modified: 2017-04-07 20:56 UTC (History)
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Description Quentin 2017-01-20 03:23:30 UTC
F7 performs a spell check. The suggested correct spellings field (tab to it or press alt+s) does not read with the NVDA screen reader (http://www.nvaccess.org/). Pressing NVDA+numpad 4 or NVDA+numpad 6 to move to next or previous object will read each suggested word, although without moving the focus (NVDA+shift+numpad minus doesn't move the focus within this box either).

The arrow keys move the focus in this section of the spell check dialog, however nothing is read.
Comment 1 oooforum (fr) 2017-01-26 08:32:53 UTC
(In reply to Quentin from comment #0)
> Pressing NVDA+numpad 4 or NVDA+numpad 6 to move
I don't know this kind of keyboard shortcut in AOO.
Seems to be a problem with NVDA
Comment 2 Quentin 2017-01-26 11:00:21 UTC
Dear user without a name,

Thank you so much for your considered and thoughtful questions in response to my issue in order to better understand the issue.

Let me rephrase the issue:

Start your chosen screen reader.  I used NVDA as I happen to work for the company who make it, and as it is freely available, you can try it to in order to verify this issue: http://www.nvaccess.org/download/

This problem is also reproducible in Narrator, the screen reader that comes with Windows.

So to reproduce:

1. Be in a document with spelling errors.
2. Press F7.
3. Navigate to the suggestions field (TAB or press alt+s).  The screen reader correctly reads the first item as expected.
4. Press the down arrow to move through the suggestions.  The screen reader does not read the suggestions so the user does not know what is there.  This is a bug.  The correct behaviour is for Open Office Writer (hint: that's YOUR program) to disclose the current suggestion to the screen reader, so that the screen reader can then read it.

If you are in any doubt, feel free to repeat the same steps in LibreOffice, Microsoft Word, or pretty much any other program with a spell check feature.

I admit I could have been clearer in my question, but you need to ask when you don't know something.  NVDA+numpad 4 and NVDA+numpad 6 (the NVDA key is usually insert, but may be caps lock if the user has set that) are used to navigate between items when the regular navigation keys don't work.  It's not recommended for most things, particularly something as mundane as spell check.  What I was really trying to say was that I can half get to them, but Open Office just needs to make a little more info discoverable by a screen reader when the user is navigating through that part of the dialog.

I'm more than happy to provide more information if you require, and I can even do it without the snarky attitude, if you are actually willing to investigate bugs that are filed on your system, instead of just saying they don't exist when you don't understand what was written.  In fact, I would be very interested in having more of a discussion with you on how we can BOTH work together to make our two programs work better for both our user groups.

Kind regards

Quentin (quentin at NV Access dot org if you'd like to discuss more general accessibility)
Comment 3 Petra B 2017-04-07 20:56:51 UTC
I can verify that this happened for me as well.

Using these versions:
Windows 10 Pro x64
OpenOffice 4.2.0 AOO420m1(build:9800) - Rev. 1785175
NVDA 2017.1

I've taken the steps as described by Quentin on 2017-01-26, using  list of commonly misspelled words from Wikipedia, and can verify that when using the arrow keys to nagivate through the suggestion list, they are not read out loud by NVDA. 

Other scenarios looked at, using the same document:
- Using OpenOffice, but with Narrator: feedback limited to "down arrow" and "up arrow". 
- Using LibreOffice 5.3.2.2 and NVDA: all entries are read out loud.
- Using LibreOffice 5.3.2.2 and Narrator: all entries are read out loud.