Issue 56997 - Mismatches between UI measures (rounding errors displayed)
Summary: Mismatches between UI measures (rounding errors displayed)
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.0
Hardware: All Windows XP
: P4 Trivial with 2 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Keywords: needmoreinfo, oooqa
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Reported: 2005-10-30 21:33 UTC by john_johnson
Modified: 2017-05-20 11:25 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description john_johnson 2005-10-30 21:33:10 UTC
My default settings are:
12.51 mm for tabs
12.7 mm indents for bullets and numbering (minimum 6.4 mm)
50.01 mm list indent
40.01 mm marginalia
6.35 list 1
4.99 mm first line indent

This inconsistency means that nothing lines up without resetting.

Could the defaults be based on consistent intervals for example multiples of 1,
2 and 5?

GB version
Comment 1 john_johnson 2005-10-30 21:46:07 UTC
Correction, the version is US.
Comment 2 michael.ruess 2005-10-31 08:26:06 UTC
Reassigned to SBA.
Comment 3 kpalagin 2006-09-12 21:28:07 UTC
john_johnson,
please specify where do you see all those values. 
Comment 4 john_johnson 2006-09-15 21:12:43 UTC
Tabs: can be seen by counting. My ruler is in mm. Set the page to A3 landscape.
I count 30 tabs for 372 mm (which is 12.4, not 12.51 but still odd). Perhaps I
got the 12.51 value from somewhere else.

Bullets: Select 'Format' menu, 'Bullets and numbering'.  Select the 'Position'
tab. Look at the 'Spacing to text' field. Mine says '6.4mm'.

List indent: Select 'Format' menu, 'Styles and formatting'. Right mouse click on
'List indent' option near the bottom. Select 'Modify'. Select 'Indents and
spacing' tab. Look at the 'Before text' field. Mine says '50.01mm'.

Marginalia: Select 'Format' menu, 'Styles and formatting'. Right mouse click on
'Marginalia'. Select 'Modify'. Select 'Indents and spacing' tab. Look at the
'Before text' field. Mine says '40.01mm'.

List 1: I can't remember where I find this.

First line indent: Select 'Format' menu, 'Paragraph'. Select 'Indents and
spacing' tab. Look at the 'First line' field. Mine says '4.99mm'.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060728
Firefox/1.5.0.6
Hope that helps.
Comment 5 jbf.faure 2008-01-01 15:37:01 UTC
I don't have exactly the same values. I think it's not a defect but an
enhancement but it is necessary to suggest new and consistent default values.
Low priority for me.
Comment 6 stefan.baltzer 2008-11-24 13:53:17 UTC
SBA: Confirmed. In OOo 3.0 on WinXP, I have a default tab stop of "1,25 cm".
Switching the unit to mm makes it 12,51 mm (Tools-Options-Writer-General). And
this seems to show the digit where the rounding errors show. It can not be set
to 12,50mm and stay there. 

SBA->OS: I think we spoke about this. I remember that the underlying measure
triggers "rounding errors" for all offered units (inch, cm, mm, point, pica)
because a "realistic amount of digits" is calculated. It looks like two digits
extra could erase this problem. But at what cost? I doubt that the naked eye can
see things on paper that are dislocated 1/100th of a millimeter. We are not in
the counterfeit money business here :-) 

Please comment, thx.   

I do not regard this a defect. Set type to "Enhancement".
Comment 7 john_johnson 2008-11-27 14:35:26 UTC
I don't mind if it is an enhancement or a defect.

I agree that 0.01 mm resolution seems excessive. However, the 6.35 mm default
value that I quoted is almost certainly an exact conversion from 1/4 inch. The
interface does not support an exact conversion from 1/8 inches because that
would be three decimal places (3.175 inches). I am a metric user and I want my
defaults to be in multiples of 2, 5, or 10 mm.

I did think that OpenOffice would work internally with metric units and only
convert to inches, points, or picas at the interface. However, from your
comments, it seems that it doesn't and I wonder if that is why we are getting
odd results. So I have the following questions:

1. Can the internal OpenOffice calculations be done in the metric system? This
should eliminate these rounding errors.
2. Can a metric user have rational metric defaults rather than a conversion from
inches?
Comment 8 stefan.baltzer 2008-11-27 15:13:00 UTC
SBA: I adjust the summary to reflect the findings.
SBA->OS: Please proceed, thx.
Comment 9 Marcus 2017-05-20 11:24:18 UTC
Reset assigne to the default "issues@openoffice.apache.org".
Comment 10 Marcus 2017-05-20 11:25:59 UTC
Reset assigne to the default "issues@openoffice.apache.org".